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US boy names that became girl names and vice versa (namedaisy.com)
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> Of the 42 names that moved toward girls, 34 were driven mainly by an increase among girls, rather than a decline among boys.

> Surprisingly, the same pattern held in the opposite direction. Of the 12 names that moved toward boys, 9 shifted mainly because fewer girls were receiving them, rather than because more boys were. In other words, whichever way a name moved, the biggest change usually came from girls.

This is consistent with the observation that girl's names are more dynamic.

> Of the 42 names that moved toward girls, 34 were driven mainly by an increase among girls, rather than a decline among boys.

> Surprisingly, the same pattern held in the opposite direction. Of the 12 names that moved toward boys, 9 shifted mainly because fewer girls were receiving them, rather than because more boys were. In other words, whichever way a name moved, the biggest change usually came from girls.

This is consistent with the observation that girl's names are more dynamic.

It quotes the article's data and ties it to a broader pattern that girls' names change more over time.
conductr 2026-11-02 18:436/10first_handinsightful | parent | next [–]

I have no data but feel that boys tend to get the family names and biblical names (in US anyways). It's rare to hear of a girl named Elizabeth III or Mary Junior but quite common for those concepts in boys. So I think the boy names are heavily weighted on probably the most popular ~25 or so names. Since girl names are more free to follow whatever is fashionable at the time, trends move faster.

My son is named after his grandfather, and it's an overly common name in English (American and British). Definitely a top 3 most common for last several centuries

I have no data but feel that boys tend to get the family names and biblical names (in US anyways). It's rare to hear of a girl named Elizabeth III or Mary Junior but quite common for those concepts in boys. So I think the boy names are heavily weighted on probably the most popular ~25 or so names. Since girl names are more free to follow whatever is fashionable at the time, trends move faster.

My son is named after his grandfather, and it's an overly common name in English (American and British). Definitely a top 3 most common for last several centuries

Gives a plausible explanation for why boys' names are less dynamic, backed by a personal example.
macintux 2026-11-02 19:07 | removed0/10low_effort | root | parent | next [–]

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The comment only says "[delayed]", so there's nothing to keep.

Anecdata: I’m a guy and a III. My son almost was a IV but we chose another first name and used my (and my dad’s and my grandfather’s) name for his middle name. My great grandfather had a different name, but I think his dad and maybe grandfather had the same name as me.

Anecdata: I’m a guy and a III. My son almost was a IV but we chose another first name and used my (and my dad’s and my grandfather’s) name for his middle name. My great grandfather had a different name, but I think his dad and maybe grandfather had the same name as me.

A relevant first-hand story that backs up the parent's point about family names being passed down to boys.

I’d agree the trend is waning if that’s what you’re getting at but I think it is baked into the history of this dataset and is also still significantly more common for boys than girls

Also, IV is really quite rare for boys too. Junior still super common.

I’d agree the trend is waning if that’s what you’re getting at but I think it is baked into the history of this dataset and is also still significantly more common for boys than girls

Also, IV is really quite rare for boys too. Junior still super common.

A relevant point about naming boys after their fathers and how often Jr. and IV show up.

It seems there are lots of cases across the board where "women adopt traditionally male thing" has become the norm in this timeframe but not many where "men adopt traditionally female thing" at quite the same rate or scale.

It seems there are lots of cases across the board where "women adopt traditionally male thing" has become the norm in this timeframe but not many where "men adopt traditionally female thing" at quite the same rate or scale.

Makes a relevant point about the asymmetry in cross-gender adoption that ties directly to the data in the article.
jmaw 2026-11-02 18:426/10questioninsightful | parent | prev [–]

> This is consistent with the observation that girl's names are more dynamic.

Interesting, I wonder what causes this? In the US, is more common to name the first son after the father. Given this data comes from US social security information, that definitely has an impact.

> This is consistent with the observation that girl's names are more dynamic.

Interesting, I wonder what causes this? In the US, is more common to name the first son after the father. Given this data comes from US social security information, that definitely has an impact.

Asks a real question and offers a plausible explanation: naming sons after their fathers would hold boys' names steady.

There are a few names I think are being confused. Jan, short for Janice is a female name, but Jan in Central / Eastern Europe as a form of John is masculine. Jean the female name and Jean the french male name are different.

There are a few names I think are being confused. Jan, short for Janice is a female name, but Jan in Central / Eastern Europe as a form of John is masculine. Jean the female name and Jean the french male name are different.

Substantive point that some names are distinct homographs from different origins rather than names that switched gender.

I was going to say the same about Jean; I think that one at least is hard to really draw conclusions from without additional data like languages spoken at home.

Anecdotally, the boy->girl names are almost all very popular names where I've met multiple each of those across different ages, whereas the other two categories feel like they have a lot more down-list entries.

I was going to say the same about Jean; I think that one at least is hard to really draw conclusions from without additional data like languages spoken at home.

Anecdotally, the boy->girl names are almost all very popular names where I've met multiple each of those across different ages, whereas the other two categories feel like they have a lot more down-list entries.

Agrees that cross-language names like Jean make the data ambiguous, and adds a real observation about how popular the names in each category are.

Yeah immigration and mix of similar names from different languages could also be reasons for the (at least perceived) shifts.

Yeah immigration and mix of similar names from different languages could also be reasons for the (at least perceived) shifts.

A short, real point: names from different languages can make it look like a name switched gender.
nostrademons 2026-11-02 18:418/10insightfulinformative | root | parent [–]

This is part of what they mean by girl names driving the shift. You have a traditional ethnic name that may be masculine or feminine and has a baseline low level of popularity. Then you have a popular female name that rapidly gains and loses its popularity. The effect on the mix is that it's shifting from masculine to feminine, but really you should look at it as a newly-popular female name being layered on top of the traditional name. And you can often see this in the timescale, with a clear pop-culture trigger leading to the rising girl name.

Looking at just part of the data, I can see this with Arya (Stark, Game of Thrones), Paris (Hilton), Stevie (Nicks, of Fleetwood Mac), Dakota (Fanning), and Tatum (O'neal), and the masculine trend also relates to the fading of generationally-popular names like Jean (Silent/Boomer), Pat (Boomer), Joan (Silent/Boomer), Courtney (Gen-X/Xennial), etc.

This is part of what they mean by girl names driving the shift. You have a traditional ethnic name that may be masculine or feminine and has a baseline low level of popularity. Then you have a popular female name that rapidly gains and loses its popularity. The effect on the mix is that it's shifting from masculine to feminine, but really you should look at it as a newly-popular female name being layered on top of the traditional name. And you can often see this in the timescale, with a clear pop-culture trigger leading to the rising girl name.

Looking at just part of the data, I can see this with Arya (Stark, Game of Thrones), Paris (Hilton), Stevie (Nicks, of Fleetwood Mac), Dakota (Fanning), and Tatum (O'neal), and the masculine trend also relates to the fading of generationally-popular names like Jean (Silent/Boomer), Pat (Boomer), Joan (Silent/Boomer), Courtney (Gen-X/Xennial), etc.

Explains how the data works and gives concrete pop-culture examples.

Going by the peak time on the chart, Jean flipped over fast right about when Jean-Luc entered public consciousness.

Going by the peak time on the chart, Jean flipped over fast right about when Jean-Luc entered public consciousness.

A tongue-in-cheek Star Trek reference that doesn't fit the actual naming timeline and adds nothing to the discussion.

There was a guy at my school named Hilary who got awful abuse for it. Always wondered why parents would do such a thing to a child.

There was a guy at my school named Hilary who got awful abuse for it. Always wondered why parents would do such a thing to a child.

A relevant first-hand example of how a boy name that shifted to girls (Hilary) affected a real person.

As someone with an pretty unusual name, I think kids will always find a reason to make fun of you and it isn't always just the name.

True Story: My mom was a 2nd grade teacher for 30 years and in the 70s had a student with very 'hippie" style parents. They named their son Log Cabin. You can imagine how that went over in elementary school.

As someone with an pretty unusual name, I think kids will always find a reason to make fun of you and it isn't always just the name.

True Story: My mom was a 2nd grade teacher for 30 years and in the 70s had a student with very 'hippie" style parents. They named their son Log Cabin. You can imagine how that went over in elementary school.

A good-faith personal anecdote that adds a real point about teasing and unusual names.
LorenPechtel 2026-11-02 18:387/10first_handinsightful | parent | prev | next [–]

I suspect this is a big driver of the switch. Parents that do not want to give their boys a name that will cause issues later on.

Back in school it wasn't a problem, people knew "Loren" was male, "Lauren" was female. Now, an awful lot of people don't. It's an uncommon enough name that even if you were around back when that's how it worked you very well might not have known it.

As an adult I routinely get misgendered, but it's a so-what to me.

I suspect this is a big driver of the switch. Parents that do not want to give their boys a name that will cause issues later on.

Back in school it wasn't a problem, people knew "Loren" was male, "Lauren" was female. Now, an awful lot of people don't. It's an uncommon enough name that even if you were around back when that's how it worked you very well might not have known it.

As an adult I routinely get misgendered, but it's a so-what to me.

First-hand experience of how a name's gender association changed and what that suggests about why it happens.

Loren adjacent. In high school my girlfriend was Lauren and mine is Lorin. Friends over pronounced our names to differentiate. It doesn’t bother me to get misgendered, either. It never lasts past hearing my voice or seeing me, though.

Loren adjacent. In high school my girlfriend was Lauren and mine is Lorin. Friends over pronounced our names to differentiate. It doesn’t bother me to get misgendered, either. It never lasts past hearing my voice or seeing me, though.

A short first-hand story about having a name that sounds like a common name for the other gender.

Here's my favorite "Lauren"*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bush

*solely because her legal, married name is Lauren Bush Lauren. She actually changed it, which is gold (and honestly very sweet).

Here's my favorite "Lauren"*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bush

*solely because her legal, married name is Lauren Bush Lauren. She actually changed it, which is gold (and honestly very sweet).

A light but relevant aside about how the name Lauren is used, with a link.
ReptileMan 2026-11-02 18:29 | removed0/10jokelow_effort | parent | prev | next [–]

Because it's there...

Because it's there...

A one-line pun on Mallory's 'because it's there' Everest quote (and Edmund Hillary) that doesn't answer the question.
opal_moose58 2026-11-02 18:25 | rewritten5/10informative | original | parent | prev | next [–]

Until fairly recently Hilary was a common name for males, so the parents may not have seen it as unusual.

I'd wager that if it weren't for Clinton, most people would still associate it with men.

original comment by BeetleB

Weird comment, given that it was, not long ago, a common name for a male.

I'd wager if it weren't for Clinton, most people would still associate it with men.

Removed the dismissive 'weird comment' opener but kept the real point about the name's history.

How "not long ago" are you thinking of? Clinton was first a major figure in the 90s (and we also had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fresh_Prince_of_Bel-Air ). And Clinton herself is from the baby boom generation; what male Hil(l)arys from that cohort do you have in mind?

How "not long ago" are you thinking of? Clinton was first a major figure in the 90s (and we also had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fresh_Prince_of_Bel-Air ). And Clinton herself is from the baby boom generation; what male Hil(l)arys from that cohort do you have in mind?

Disagrees in good faith, giving counterexamples (Clinton's generation, Fresh Prince's Hilary Banks) and a fair question about the timeline.

Looks like it flipped in ~the 40s, by the ~60s had become rarer as a male name, and was pretty much a flop as a male name after the ~80s. So Clinton was born just when it started to take off for females (and in general - it was never as common as a male name) and there should have been in the same ballpark as as many male "Hilary"s of the same age.

https://namedaisy.com/us/name/Hilary

Looks like it flipped in ~the 40s, by the ~60s had become rarer as a male name, and was pretty much a flop as a male name after the ~80s. So Clinton was born just when it started to take off for females (and in general - it was never as common as a male name) and there should have been in the same ballpark as as many male "Hilary"s of the same age.

https://namedaisy.com/us/name/Hilary

Answers the parent's question with name data and a source link.

It's kind of surprising that this is even allowed. A lot of countries require at least the first given name to match the gender. Some names might be deemed suitable for both genders.

It's kind of surprising that this is even allowed. A lot of countries require at least the first given name to match the gender. Some names might be deemed suitable for both genders.

Points out that many countries' naming laws require a name to match the child's gender, which adds useful context.

In the USA, you can name your kid what you want. This avoids one ethnic group requiring everyone to have a name from their tradition.

In the USA, you can name your kid what you want. This avoids one ethnic group requiring everyone to have a name from their tradition.

Gives a short, substantive answer about US naming freedom and why it exists.

We associate names ending with a vowel sound with the female gender. Other than that there's nothing gendered about "Hilary" as a first name.

We associate names ending with a vowel sound with the female gender. Other than that there's nothing gendered about "Hilary" as a first name.

A short but real point about how vowel endings shape our sense of a name's gender.
sunny_turtle43 2026-11-02 18:33 | rewritten3/10snarkquestion | original | root | parent | prev | next [–]

I don't see why it would be surprising that the USA has no such requirement. What makes you expect it would?

original comment by zahlman

…Why would it be surprising for the USA not to have such a requirement?

Took the edge off the incredulous tone and kept the real challenge to the parent's assumption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_(name) - It's not an exclusively female name. But in the US, you can give a kid pretty much any name you want (see the names Musk gives his kids these days).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_(name) - It's not an exclusively female name. But in the US, you can give a kid pretty much any name you want (see the names Musk gives his kids these days).

Gives a useful link showing Hilary isn't only a female name and notes that the US has few naming restrictions. The Musk aside is a small dig but fine.

My biggest WTF on this (as a foreigner) was the late Lindsey Graham. I always knew Lindsey/Lindsay as a female name.

Either way, peeking through the list, seems to me names which end with a vowel are usually feminine. However, there's a caveat: names end up shortened, and over time even those get shortened.

'Brit', 'Britney' for 'Brittany'.

'Gerry' or 'Geri' or 'Ger' for 'Gareth' (Dutch variant: 'Gerrit'),

'Pat', 'Patty' for 'Patrick', 'Patricia'.

'Pen', 'Penny' for 'Penelope'

'Ash' for 'Ashley'.

'Tash' or 'Tasha' for 'Natasha', 'Nata(s)cha' (a variant of Nathan/Nathaniel?)

'Toni', 'Tony', or 'Ton' for 'Antonia', 'Anton', or 'Antonius'.

Skimming through the quick examples I came up with, one thing stands out: if it ends with an 'a', feminine. I believe this stems from Latin? It also appears Brittany is a very British example, whereas say 'Tony' stems from a Catholic background. People with that background get very traditional names, but they're always practically shortened. Annoyingly, you'd have to mention your complete name on say a form, but otherwise you get a wider choice since you have like three names, and they're relatively long so more variety to pick from.

My biggest WTF on this (as a foreigner) was the late Lindsey Graham. I always knew Lindsey/Lindsay as a female name.

Either way, peeking through the list, seems to me names which end with a vowel are usually feminine. However, there's a caveat: names end up shortened, and over time even those get shortened.

'Brit', 'Britney' for 'Brittany'.

'Gerry' or 'Geri' or 'Ger' for 'Gareth' (Dutch variant: 'Gerrit'),

'Pat', 'Patty' for 'Patrick', 'Patricia'.

'Pen', 'Penny' for 'Penelope'

'Ash' for 'Ashley'.

'Tash' or 'Tasha' for 'Natasha', 'Nata(s)cha' (a variant of Nathan/Nathaniel?)

'Toni', 'Tony', or 'Ton' for 'Antonia', 'Anton', or 'Antonius'.

Skimming through the quick examples I came up with, one thing stands out: if it ends with an 'a', feminine. I believe this stems from Latin? It also appears Brittany is a very British example, whereas say 'Tony' stems from a Catholic background. People with that background get very traditional names, but they're always practically shortened. Annoyingly, you'd have to mention your complete name on say a form, but otherwise you get a wider choice since you have like three names, and they're relatively long so more variety to pick from.

A good-faith look at name endings and nicknames, though a few of the etymologies are shaky.

Lindsey (as well as Ashley, Tracy, Kelly, among others) are all, I believe, last names that became given names. They skewed female over time because they end with a vowel.

Ashley Williams is the name of two American actresses as well as two male soccer players (Welsh and Liberian) and a male boxer (also Welsh).

Lindsey (as well as Ashley, Tracy, Kelly, among others) are all, I believe, last names that became given names. They skewed female over time because they end with a vowel.

Ashley Williams is the name of two American actresses as well as two male soccer players (Welsh and Liberian) and a male boxer (also Welsh).

Adds a plausible explanation (surnames turned given names, vowel endings) with concrete examples.

Ends in 'a' = female: a relatively safe assumption, as far as an assumption here can be safe, with no other context. A strong majority in many places will match that. Many of the exceptions will be obviously foreign names with traditional spelling, which can go either way (may follow that culture's patterns, may not, highly varied).

Ends in vowel = female: probably mostly true, in that it may be >50%, but it's unreliable enough that I'd avoid trying to base any assumptions off it.

Names really follow no rules at all here. For both good and bad. E.g. most recently I ran across a "La-sia" pronounced "ladashsia". If it's spelled vat-ik'Nff and pronounced "King George" and they're female, then that's what's correct.

Ends in 'a' = female: a relatively safe assumption, as far as an assumption here can be safe, with no other context. A strong majority in many places will match that. Many of the exceptions will be obviously foreign names with traditional spelling, which can go either way (may follow that culture's patterns, may not, highly varied).

Ends in vowel = female: probably mostly true, in that it may be >50%, but it's unreliable enough that I'd avoid trying to base any assumptions off it.

Names really follow no rules at all here. For both good and bad. E.g. most recently I ran across a "La-sia" pronounced "ladashsia". If it's spelled vat-ik'Nff and pronounced "King George" and they're female, then that's what's correct.

A reasonable take on how reliable vowel and '-a' endings are as gender markers in names.

The one that always trips me up is when a man is a Stacey.

The one that always trips me up is when a man is a Stacey.

A short but on-topic example of a name people mostly read as female that men also have.

Growing up in the rural midwest, I had no idea Tracy could be a dude's name until I worked with one. (Great guy, btw.)

Growing up in the rural midwest, I had no idea Tracy could be a dude's name until I worked with one. (Great guy, btw.)

A small first-hand story about regional expectations around a unisex name.

I had to call a customer once whose name was Courtney and it tripped me up when it turned out to be a male..

I had to call a customer once whose name was Courtney and it tripped me up when it turned out to be a male..

A small first-hand example of a name that crosses genders, relevant to the topic.

Andrea, Simone, Nicola, Michele, Daniele in Italian are all male names, but English speakers would probably assume the person is female from the name alone.

Andrea, Simone, Nicola, Michele, Daniele in Italian are all male names, but English speakers would probably assume the person is female from the name alone.

Gives concrete cross-language examples of male Italian names that English speakers read as female.

True, good native and traditional cultutal exceptions of a rule of thumb. Speaking for myself (NL) we have a small amount of Italian names and heritage (also due to Catholicism), and say NYC would have much more Italian descendants.

Also, as someone who saw quite some football (non-US version), I ofcourse am familiar with a lot of names. For example, Andrea Pirlo. We also learn some via history at school, since Italy plays a prominent role in Europe's history. Regarding Nicola, people might be familiar with Nikola Tesla (the 'c' in this case, sounds like 'k') and it is just a variant of 'Nico', 'Nicole', 'Nicolas'. Then there's some dude at FIFA, 'Gianni' which is a variant of 'Jean', 'Jan', 'Jeanne', 'Janet', 'Jannie', 'Janine', etc. I could go on about Gianluigi Buffon...

What I just remind myself with regards to Italian is it tends to add a vowel at end of a word or name, but it often doesn't sound same in English or my native tongue (Dutch).

True, good native and traditional cultutal exceptions of a rule of thumb. Speaking for myself (NL) we have a small amount of Italian names and heritage (also due to Catholicism), and say NYC would have much more Italian descendants.

Also, as someone who saw quite some football (non-US version), I ofcourse am familiar with a lot of names. For example, Andrea Pirlo. We also learn some via history at school, since Italy plays a prominent role in Europe's history. Regarding Nicola, people might be familiar with Nikola Tesla (the 'c' in this case, sounds like 'k') and it is just a variant of 'Nico', 'Nicole', 'Nicolas'. Then there's some dude at FIFA, 'Gianni' which is a variant of 'Jean', 'Jan', 'Jeanne', 'Janet', 'Jannie', 'Janine', etc. I could go on about Gianluigi Buffon...

What I just remind myself with regards to Italian is it tends to add a vowel at end of a word or name, but it often doesn't sound same in English or my native tongue (Dutch).

A rambling but sincere European view of Italian male names and how they vary.

But Jean (English name, like Jeannie) and Jean (French form of John) are entirely different names, with different pronunciations, that happen to share the same spelling.

But Jean (English name, like Jeannie) and Jean (French form of John) are entirely different names, with different pronunciations, that happen to share the same spelling.

Substantive point about a methodological flaw: two distinct names that share a spelling are being counted as one.

Yep, my wife and I have the same middle name: Jean. I’m French and she’s British :)

Yep, my wife and I have the same middle name: Jean. I’m French and she’s British :)

A short first-hand example that backs up the parent's point that Jean is two separate names.

I feel like a lot of these can be tied to one famous person with the name causing the gender to flip.

I feel like a lot of these can be tied to one famous person with the name causing the gender to flip.

This is a fair hypothesis about why names flip gender, though it offers no examples.

Most interesting thing that stands out to me is the number of names that appear to be what I would consider an abbreviation of a more traditional name.

e.g. “Pat” is cited, but doesn’t specify whether that refers to Patricia or Patrick.

Most interesting thing that stands out to me is the number of names that appear to be what I would consider an abbreviation of a more traditional name.

e.g. “Pat” is cited, but doesn’t specify whether that refers to Patricia or Patrick.

A fair, on-topic point: short forms like "Pat" could come from either a boy's or a girl's full name, which makes the data harder to read.

These are presumably from Social Security registrations, so reflecting official given names.

Another interesting analysis would be the movement back and forth between full names and their associated common diminutives.

These are presumably from Social Security registrations, so reflecting official given names.

Another interesting analysis would be the movement back and forth between full names and their associated common diminutives.

Explains where the data comes from, which clears up the parent's confusion, and suggests a sensible follow-up analysis.

Yes, the data comes from the US Social Security Administration from 1936–2025

Source: The expandable "How we measured it" section at the bottom of the page

Yes, the data comes from the US Social Security Administration from 1936–2025

Source: The expandable "How we measured it" section at the bottom of the page

Confirms where the data comes from and points to the spot on the page that says so.

Common nicknames eventually just become given names on their own, like "Jack" or "John" or "Alex".

Common nicknames eventually just become given names on their own, like "Jack" or "John" or "Alex".

A short but relevant point about nicknames turning into given names in their own right.
rolandog 2026-11-02 18:194/10first_handquestion | prev | next [–]

I was very much shocked to see a feminine version of my name used IIRC on Dead Or Alive 4 (DOA4), not knowing the backstory: I think it was a character called Leon was promising to avenge his dead girlfriend, Rolande.

I've wondered if the women that have carried the name have liked it? In my mind, it's always sounded very blunt so as to be feminine, but I recognize I'm heavily biased when it comes to my own name.

I was very much shocked to see a feminine version of my name used IIRC on Dead Or Alive 4 (DOA4), not knowing the backstory: I think it was a character called Leon was promising to avenge his dead girlfriend, Rolande.

I've wondered if the women that have carried the name have liked it? In my mind, it's always sounded very blunt so as to be feminine, but I recognize I'm heavily biased when it comes to my own name.

A personal story with a real question about how women named Rolande feel about the name.

It's super hard to keep track of, I have an app that's designed to help couples name their baby, and I always wanted to stay away from hard-defined gender stuff, but people still want boy/girl categories. So many are both, but to varying degrees. I ended up using a boy/girl/unisex selector, and had Jev tag all the names. It's especially when dealing with other countries, languages, and customs. At the end of the day, it's mostly easier for the user to just swipe left on a name rather than try to pre-eliminate it from their pool.

It's super hard to keep track of, I have an app that's designed to help couples name their baby, and I always wanted to stay away from hard-defined gender stuff, but people still want boy/girl categories. So many are both, but to varying degrees. I ended up using a boy/girl/unisex selector, and had Jev tag all the names. It's especially when dealing with other countries, languages, and customs. At the end of the day, it's mostly easier for the user to just swipe left on a name rather than try to pre-eliminate it from their pool.

A first-hand account from someone who builds a baby-naming app and had to deal with names that are used for both boys and girls.

Interesting data. Nightmare color scale for the colorblind.

Interesting data. Nightmare color scale for the colorblind.

A short but valid accessibility point about the chart's color scale.
poncho_romero 2026-11-02 18:55 | removed0/10low_efforttangential_annoyance | parent | next [–]

Yeah I can't read the charts at all.

Yeah I can't read the charts at all.

Just agrees with the parent's complaint about the chart colors and adds nothing new.

Came here to say the same. Anyone doing data visualization should think long and hard before using something beside a line or bar chart. Almost everything else is worse in multiple ways.

Came here to say the same. Anyone doing data visualization should think long and hard before using something beside a line or bar chart. Almost everything else is worse in multiple ways.

Agrees with the parent and adds a real, if general, opinion on data-visualization practice.

Most of the names that flip over seem to be names associated with the gentry class, many of the names seem to be neutral, soft very inoffensive names.

Most of the names that flip over seem to be names associated with the gentry class, many of the names seem to be neutral, soft very inoffensive names.

Makes a real, if unsupported, observation about which names tend to switch gender.

Most surprising was "Mario" becoming shared. "Maria/Mario" seemed inherently gendered, based on the last letter.

Most surprising was "Mario" becoming shared. "Maria/Mario" seemed inherently gendered, based on the last letter.

Points to a specific surprising item in the data and explains why it's surprising.

Interestingly if I remember correctly they have different origins, Maria is a biblical name, while Mario comes from Latin (which can decline Marius to Maria, but that’s a different word)

Interestingly if I remember correctly they have different origins, Maria is a biblical name, while Mario comes from Latin (which can decline Marius to Maria, but that’s a different word)

Adds useful background on where the two names come from, hedged appropriately.

I think it says "Marlo"? Not "Mario". L, not I.

I think it says "Marlo"? Not "Mario". L, not I.

A useful factual correction that clears up a misreading in the parent comment.

Marlo/Marla is also inherently gendered

for people from languages that mark gender with an ending (romance languages for instance), putting the "wrong" ending something like a noun would sound odd or change the meaning

Marlo/Marla is also inherently gendered

for people from languages that mark gender with an ending (romance languages for instance), putting the "wrong" ending something like a noun would sound odd or change the meaning

Makes a relevant point about gendered name endings in languages that mark gender.
trelane 2026-11-02 18:56 | removed0/10joke | prev | next [–]

Surprised Sue wasn't mentioned. I had heard that boys had started being called Sue (sample size of 1, but very prominent).

Surprised Sue wasn't mentioned. I had heard that boys had started being called Sue (sample size of 1, but very prominent).

A joke about the song 'A Boy Named Sue' rather than a real naming trend.

I'm just really surprised that 21% of Lynn's are boys.

I'm just really surprised that 21% of Lynn's are boys.

A short but real reaction to a specific data point in the article.
stoic_mink19 2026-11-02 18:23 | rewritten4/10ideologicalquestion | original | prev | next [–]

I'd be curious whether men with names now seen as female face a disadvantage in job interviews, since the employer may have formed expectations from the resume and then someone different shows up. Or maybe in some cases it actually helps get a foot in the door.

original comment by bilsbie

I’d be curious if men with female names get rejected out of a lot of job interviews since the employer may have thought they chose a female for DEI and then a man shows up?

Or maybe it’s a good way to get your foot in the door in todays job market.

The question about name-based hiring bias is real; the DEI framing was removed.

Probably more likely that they don't get the interview because the person reviewing their CV assumed they were a woman...

Probably more likely that they don't get the interview because the person reviewing their CV assumed they were a woman...

A short but reasonable counterpoint to the parent's guess about hiring.
zesty_weasel5 2026-11-02 19:00 | rewritten2/10snarklow_effort | original | root | parent [–]

I suspect a lot of resumes aren't reviewed by a person at all anymore, but screened by software first.

original comment by switchbak

Ha, you had me at "person". As if people review resumes anymore!

A sarcastic quip with a small point about automated resume screening, kept without the snark.

I've noticed more girls are being named Parker these days. My 1yo son is named Parker. He's holding the line.

I've noticed more girls are being named Parker these days. My 1yo son is named Parker. He's holding the line.

A light but real first-hand note on a name crossing over.

The trend of surnames as given names is stranger to me than traditional gender reversal of names.

The trend of surnames as given names is stranger to me than traditional gender reversal of names.

A short but real observation that ties the Parker example to the broader trend of surnames being used as first names.
triceratops 2026-11-02 19:047/10insightfulinformative | root | parent | next [–]

They go hand-in-hand. Surnames aren't gendered. Names that reverse gender are often surnames used as given names.

"John" or "Matthew" are probably never going to become female. Nor will "Elizabeth" or "Katherine" become male.

"Spencer" was male when Spencer Tracy was a big name. Today it could go either way. As a family name it relates to the profession of a steward.

They go hand-in-hand. Surnames aren't gendered. Names that reverse gender are often surnames used as given names.

"John" or "Matthew" are probably never going to become female. Nor will "Elizabeth" or "Katherine" become male.

"Spencer" was male when Spencer Tracy was a big name. Today it could go either way. As a family name it relates to the profession of a steward.

Ties surnames used as first names to name gender reversal, with good examples.

Surnames or occupations (Tanner, Cooper, etc)

Surnames or occupations (Tanner, Cooper, etc)

A brief but good-faith addition pointing out that many of these surnames come from occupations.

A name I was surprised by was someone I know naming their daughter Miles/Myles, which is such a male name in my mind. It might even be based on the Latin word for soldier. It's not one I've seen used for a girl anywhere else, yet.

A name I was surprised by was someone I know naming their daughter Miles/Myles, which is such a male name in my mind. It might even be based on the Latin word for soldier. It's not one I've seen used for a girl anywhere else, yet.

A small personal observation with a note on where the name comes from.

Edited slightly for series spoilers:

> "Well, I wish you every joy," Miles went on [...] He managed a wink. "Name the first one after me, eh?"

> [She] grinned. "I'm not sure she'd appreciate that. Milesanna? Milesia?"

> "Milesia sounds like a disease," Miles admitted, taken aback. "In that case, don't. I wouldn't want her to grow up hating me in absentia."

-- Memory (1996) by Lois McMaster Bujold

In the series, Miles having a name meaning "soldier" is, er, persistently thematically significant.

Edited slightly for series spoilers:

> "Well, I wish you every joy," Miles went on [...] He managed a wink. "Name the first one after me, eh?"

> [She] grinned. "I'm not sure she'd appreciate that. Milesanna? Milesia?"

> "Milesia sounds like a disease," Miles admitted, taken aback. "In that case, don't. I wouldn't want her to grow up hating me in absentia."

-- Memory (1996) by Lois McMaster Bujold

In the series, Miles having a name meaning "soldier" is, er, persistently thematically significant.

A relevant literary passage about feminizing the name Miles, plus a note on what the name means.

I'm gonna credit George RR Martin with flipping Arya in the mid '90s

I'm gonna credit George RR Martin with flipping Arya in the mid '90s

A short but on-topic guess that A Game of Thrones (1996) explains Arya becoming a girl's name.
trelane 2026-11-02 19:06 | removed0/10jokesnarkoff_topic | parent [–]

Ah, back when he still wrote.

Not that I'm bitter or anything

Ah, back when he still wrote.

Not that I'm bitter or anything

A joke about GRRM's writing pace that doesn't add anything about names.
ape4 2026-11-02 18:015/10insightful | prev | next [–]

Good luck to the Perl function Text::GenderFromName()

Maybe it needs the birthday

Good luck to the Perl function Text::GenderFromName()

Maybe it needs the birthday

A light but real point: a name's gender depends on when the person was born, so inferring gender from the name alone breaks down.

I guess it's eternally stuck in the 90s. I didn't see Perl in a long time now. 10-15 years ago it was still everywhere.

edit: No, it's stuck in the 80s: "The data comes from a 5% sampling of Social Security card applications with dates of birth from January 1980 through December 1989"

https://metacpan.org/pod/Text::GenderFromName#REGARDING-THE-DEFAULT-LIST

I guess it's eternally stuck in the 90s. I didn't see Perl in a long time now. 10-15 years ago it was still everywhere.

edit: No, it's stuck in the 80s: "The data comes from a 5% sampling of Social Security card applications with dates of birth from January 1980 through December 1989"

https://metacpan.org/pod/Text::GenderFromName#REGARDING-THE-DEFAULT-LIST

Gives a useful, sourced detail: the module's default data comes from 1980s Social Security applications, which is why it can't keep up with names changing gender.
warm_finch99 2026-11-02 18:55 | rewritten3/10curmudgeonly | original | parent | prev | next [–]

Gender isn't really a function of a name, so this seems like trying to shoe-horn something that can't be computed into something computable. I wonder what use case motivated building it.

original comment by boscillator

Why did anyone even try and make this? It's fascinating what incomputable functions people try to shoe-horn into being computable.

The point that a name doesn't determine gender is real, so I kept it and dropped the dismissive framing.
rconti 2026-11-02 18:17 | removed0/10low_effort | parent | prev | next [–]

I thought you must be joking. You were not!

I thought you must be joking. You were not!

This is just a surprised reaction confirming the parent. It adds no information.

I'm sure there are a few competing "Falsehoods programmers believe about names" out there by now.

I'm sure there are a few competing "Falsehoods programmers believe about names" out there by now.

A short but fair reference to the well-known 'falsehoods about names' literature, which fits the parent's point about guessing gender from a name.
9991 2026-11-02 18:35 | removed0/10tangential_annoyancesnark | prev | next [–]

> Failed to verify your browser > > Vercel Security Checkpoint | iad1::1793644520-hvXR6jD3A6jJoFcEhxLm7uNyDy9O2Ibl

Super informative article.

> Failed to verify your browser > > Vercel Security Checkpoint | iad1::1793644520-hvXR6jD3A6jJoFcEhxLm7uNyDy9O2Ibl

Super informative article.

A sarcastic complaint about a browser verification wall that says nothing about the topic.
asimovfan 2026-11-02 17:443/10questionlow_effort | prev | next [–]

Stevie is a girl's name now?

Stevie is a girl's name now?

A short but real question about one of the article's examples; no snark worth removing.

Such a thing will often happen as the result of a celebrity having the name. For instance, famed Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks, whose real name was Stephanie.

Such a thing will often happen as the result of a celebrity having the name. For instance, famed Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks, whose real name was Stephanie.

It answers the question directly with a plausible mechanism and a concrete example: Stevie Nicks, born Stephanie.

Years ago, one of the broadcasters for a Red Sox game was doing some ad read about some event Stevie Nicks was going to be at, but they read her name as "Steve Nicks" instead. Someone else in the booth corrected them, and they responded "I know him well, and I call him Steve". A fan apparently sent them a giant poster of Stevie Nicks, and the others put it up in the booth and teased him about it relentlessly during the next game.

Years ago, one of the broadcasters for a Red Sox game was doing some ad read about some event Stevie Nicks was going to be at, but they read her name as "Steve Nicks" instead. Someone else in the booth corrected them, and they responded "I know him well, and I call him Steve". A fan apparently sent them a giant poster of Stevie Nicks, and the others put it up in the booth and teased him about it relentlessly during the next game.

A harmless, on-topic story about people assuming the name Stevie belongs to a man, told in good faith.

The past tense "was" had me at least looking for an obituary. She is still very much alive

The past tense "was" had me at least looking for an obituary. She is still very much alive

A small but accurate correction that Stevie Nicks is still alive, said without hostility.

I was referring to the Stephanie part in the past tense. I doubt she's gone by that name since she was a child.

But yes, Stevie is very much still alive.

I was referring to the Stephanie part in the past tense. I doubt she's gone by that name since she was a child.

But yes, Stevie is very much still alive.

A polite clarification that answers the parent's point; minor but in good faith.

Interestingly enough, Lindsey, like Lindsey Buckingham, the guitarist of Fleetwood Mac, became a more popular girl's name during Fleetwood Mac's heyday.

Interestingly enough, Lindsey, like Lindsey Buckingham, the guitarist of Fleetwood Mac, became a more popular girl's name during Fleetwood Mac's heyday.

Adds a relevant on-topic example of a celebrity's name shifting toward girls.

In the US, boys would abbreviate Stephen or Steven to Steve. Stevie only for a young boy.

I’m not sure what they are measuring here though - if it’s only birth certificates then I’m sure Stevie is dominated by girls for a long time.

In the US, boys would abbreviate Stephen or Steven to Steve. Stevie only for a young boy.

I’m not sure what they are measuring here though - if it’s only birth certificates then I’m sure Stevie is dominated by girls for a long time.

It explains how 'Stevie' is used for boys versus girls and raises a fair question about how the data was measured.

With the shift happening right after the 1976–1980 square, I'd assume people named their daughter after Stevie Nicks.

With the shift happening right after the 1976–1980 square, I'd assume people named their daughter after Stevie Nicks.

Answers the question with a reasonable guess tied to when the data shifted.

I mean, this is US-centric data, but it is probably a shortening of 'Stephanie' or 'Stefanie' [1], the female variant of 'Stephan' or 'Stefan'. It stems from Greek, apparently: Stephanos. Its variant are used entirely throughout Europe, from Portugal to Russia.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie

I mean, this is US-centric data, but it is probably a shortening of 'Stephanie' or 'Stefanie' [1], the female variant of 'Stephan' or 'Stefan'. It stems from Greek, apparently: Stephanos. Its variant are used entirely throughout Europe, from Portugal to Russia.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie

Answers the question in good faith with a plausible etymology and a source.
topaz_crane21 2026-11-02 18:04 | rewritten4/10snarkinformative | original | parent | prev | next [–]

It's been a girl's name for a long time; Stevie Nicks is a well-known example.

original comment by jasonlotito

Now? Let me introduce you to Stevie Nicks.

Removed the sarcastic 'let me introduce you' framing but kept the useful counterexample.
morninglight 2026-11-02 18:00 | removed0/10jokesnark | parent | prev [–]

Don't be silly.

Moon Unit is a girls name.

Stevie is a nickname for the sweetener Stevia.

Don't be silly.

Moon Unit is a girls name.

Stevie is a nickname for the sweetener Stevia.

A sarcastic joke that doesn't answer the question about Stevie.

What about Aaron -> Erin ?

What about Aaron -> Erin ?

A short but real question that suggests another possible example of a name crossing genders.

Aaron is Hebrew and Erin is Irish. They just happen to sound the same.

Aaron is Hebrew and Erin is Irish. They just happen to sound the same.

A short, accurate correction saying the two names have different origins and only sound alike.

They don't even sound the same, except in some (not all) American accents. They don't sound even remotely similar to me.

They don't even sound the same, except in some (not all) American accents. They don't sound even remotely similar to me.

A blunt but real point that whether the names sound alike depends on accent.

I thought they did not, but after actually vocalizing them I would say they are basically indistinguishable in real (fast) speech.

I thought they did not, but after actually vocalizing them I would say they are basically indistinguishable in real (fast) speech.

A sincere, good-faith observation about how the names sound in fast speech, which adds a minor but real point to the disagreement.

Interesting, they sound exactly the same to me, and I cannot even think of how they might sound different to someone else. Care to explain?

Interesting, they sound exactly the same to me, and I cannot even think of how they might sound different to someone else. Care to explain?

A genuine question asking about differences between accents.
Atreiden 2026-11-02 18:47 | removed0/10joketrope | root | parent | prev [–]

Not when pronounced correctly as A-Aron

Not when pronounced correctly as A-Aron

Key & Peele meme joke with nothing else in it.
TRiG_Ireland 2026-11-02 18:386/10informativefirst_hand | parent | prev [–]

To my Irish ear, these are two completely different names, not even slightly similar. (They're also etymologically unrelated.) It blew my mind when discussions on r/namenerds revealed that many Americans consider these names similar or even identical.

To my Irish ear, these are two completely different names, not even slightly similar. (They're also etymologically unrelated.) It blew my mind when discussions on r/namenerds revealed that many Americans consider these names similar or even identical.

Offers a useful cross-dialect view on pronunciation and notes that the two names have separate origins.

Sort of reminds me of the color swap of Pink and Blue for Men and Women.

Sort of reminds me of the color swap of Pink and Blue for Men and Women.

It's a short but relevant comparison to the historical swap of pink and blue as gender colors.
civic_falcon30 2026-11-02 18:47 | rewritten6/10informative | original | parent [–]

I think this is a common misconception.

In the past there were no hard associations between sex and color, and you could find boys wearing some pink clothing, but people never associated pink with boys and blue with girls.

A few limited examples feed the misunderstanding. For example, blue is often associated with the Virgin Mary, and red (not pink) was considered a manly color often worn by warriors (e.g. the British, the Romans, etc.).

---

I think this comes from how reporting works. An article saying it once wasn't bizarre for boys to wear pink doesn't get much traction. An article saying pink was actually a boys' color and it was shocking for girls to wear it surprises people and gets a lot of views, even if it overstates the evidence.

original comment by xdennis

You're the victim of misinformation.

In the past there were no hard associations between sexes and gender and it was possible to find boys wearing some pink clothing, but it was never the case that people associated pink with boys and blue with girls.

There are some limited examples that contribute to the misunderstanding. For example blue is often associated with the Virgin Mary and red (not pink) was considered a manly color often worn by warriors (e.g. the British, the Romans, etc).

---

This is essentially the way reporting works. If you write an article showing that in the past it wouldn't have been bizarre for boys to wear pink you don't get much traction. But if you write how pink was actually worn by boys and it was considered shocking for girls to wear it, then people find that very surprising and you get a lot of views (truth be damned).

Kept the historical counterpoint and the critique of media incentives, and removed the condescending opener and the 'truth be damned' framing.

Surprised to not see "Jordan" in there, it's the first one that came to my mind.

Surprised to not see "Jordan" in there, it's the first one that came to my mind.

Short but on topic: it points to an example the list seems to be missing.

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Green to orange? Why not blue to pink? I know it is stereotypical, but it is the natural colouring.

Green to orange? Why not blue to pink? I know it is stereotypical, but it is the natural colouring.

A small but genuine suggestion about the chart's color choice; it doesn't need editing.

I'm not sure what you mean by "natural" coloring, but the association you're describing has also reversed over time; i.e., pink was considered masculine and blue was considered feminine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_and_blue

I'm not sure what you mean by "natural" coloring, but the association you're describing has also reversed over time; i.e., pink was considered masculine and blue was considered feminine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_and_blue

Gives a relevant, sourced correction: the pink/blue gender association has itself reversed over time.
solar_oriole2 2026-11-02 18:26 | rewritten2/10ideological | original | root | parent [–]

I've heard, and believe, that some countries use other colors for babies. But I'm skeptical of Wikipedia's sourcing on gender-related topics, so I wouldn't take that article's claim about pink and blue reversing as settled without looking at the underlying sources.

original comment by fsckboy

I have heard and I do believe that there are countries that use other colors for babies, but wouldn't trust wikipedia nor its selective sources on any topic like gender; wikipedia is no longer enslaved to the truth.

Removed the sweeping claim that Wikipedia is 'no longer enslaved to the truth' and kept the author's partial agreement and doubt about the sources.
clever_kestrel89 2026-11-02 18:55 | rewritten6/10informativeideological | original | root | parent [–]

I'd still trust Wikipedia unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. In fact, the linked article has a whole section supporting your doubt about the claim, which was interesting to read!

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_and_blue#Pink%E2%80%93blue_reversal

> In a 2017 letter to Archives of Sexual Behavior, researcher Marco Del Giudice commented on earlier claims about a supposed shift in pink–blue color associations or preferences sometime around the 1940s, from pink for boys and blue for girls before that period, to the opposite alignment afterward. He summarized his earlier work from 2012 which found "no evidence of either reversed or inconsistent usage prior to the 1940s".[41] Del Giudice called this theory the "Pink–blue reversal" (PBR), and said it was "usually attributed to [Jo] Paoletti", and quoted from five academic articles that reprised the theory of "pink is for boys" prior to the 1940s. However, he found upon analysis that it was exceptionally difficult to actually document such a shift, and exclaimed upon "the thinness of the evidence presented in support of the PBR".[42]

> In his 2012 paper, Del Giudice quoted from four articles published in academic journals which all echoed the claims about PBR theory, many relying on Paoletti, including Chiu et al., 2006: "Prior to that decade, Paoletti ... noted that the sex-dimorphic color coding of pink and blue was inverted, i.e., infant boys were dressed in pink and infant girls were dressed in blue";[43] Frassanito & Pettorini (2008): "At one point, pink was considered more of a boy's color ... blue was considered more for girls";[44] Cohen (2013): "the current stereotypical American assignment of pink to girls and blue to boys was reversed a century ago";[45] and Zucker (2005): "Yet, in the first two decades of the twentieth century, there is evidence that the gender-dimorphic nature of these two colors was inverted, that is, blue was judged to be stereotypically feminine whereas pink was judged to be stereotypically masculine."[46][47] But Paoletti never made the claim that pink and blue reversed, only that there was inconsistent usage that took until the 1950s to resolve[42] starting from the first appearances of gendered pink and blue color associations around the 1860s.[7]

My takeaway: these color and name associations are social conventions, so I don't think we should get hung up on them.

original comment by boston_clone

You absolutely should trust wikipedia unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary; in fact, the linked article even has a whole section to support your doubt about the claim, which was interesting to read!

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_and_blue#Pink%E2%80%93blue_reversal

> In a 2017 letter to Archives of Sexual Behavior, researcher Marco Del Giudice commented on earlier claims about a supposed shift in pink–blue color associations or preferences sometime around the 1940s, from pink for boys and blue for girls before that period, to the opposite alignment afterward. He summarized his earlier work from 2012 which found "no evidence of either reversed or inconsistent usage prior to the 1940s".[41] Del Giudice called this theory the "Pink–blue reversal" (PBR), and said it was "usually attributed to [Jo] Paoletti", and quoted from five academic articles that reprised the theory of "pink is for boys" prior to the 1940s. However, he found upon analysis that it was exceptionally difficult to actually document such a shift, and exclaimed upon "the thinness of the evidence presented in support of the PBR".[42]

> In his 2012 paper, Del Giudice quoted from four articles published in academic journals which all echoed the claims about PBR theory, many relying on Paoletti, including Chiu et al., 2006: "Prior to that decade, Paoletti ... noted that the sex-dimorphic color coding of pink and blue was inverted, i.e., infant boys were dressed in pink and infant girls were dressed in blue";[43] Frassanito & Pettorini (2008): "At one point, pink was considered more of a boy's color ... blue was considered more for girls";[44] Cohen (2013): "the current stereotypical American assignment of pink to girls and blue to boys was reversed a century ago";[45] and Zucker (2005): "Yet, in the first two decades of the twentieth century, there is evidence that the gender-dimorphic nature of these two colors was inverted, that is, blue was judged to be stereotypically feminine whereas pink was judged to be stereotypically masculine."[46][47] But Paoletti never made the claim that pink and blue reversed, only that there was inconsistent usage that took until the 1950s to resolve[42] starting from the first appearances of gendered pink and blue color associations around the 1860s.[7]

tl;dr - gender is very clearly a social construct and we shouldn't get hung up on colors or names

Useful sourced quote showing Wikipedia covers the counter-evidence; the sweeping tl;dr is reframed as the author's view.

>in fact, the linked article even has a whole section to support your doubt about the claim

To clarify, I didn't say I doubted the claim. I actually said I believed it, so my point was something else.

original comment by fsckboy

>in fact, the linked article even has a whole section to support your doubt about the claim

I didn't say I doubted the claim, in fact I went to the trouble to say I believed it. So you should try again to glean what I could have meant.

Kept the clarification and dropped the condescending 'try again to glean' line.



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